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We also discuss... Star Wars..on a Trek podcast..
Also, tune in to find out what food our fourth host Keith Justice gets delivered! The excitement never ends at the Four Hosts studio!
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welcome to another upset of Ah, therefore hosts everyone as usual. There are four hosts. I'm Sabrina. You could find me Add void cat gaming at Twitter, Instagram or Twitter.
And I'm Michael. You can find me at Blue Beetle games on Twitter.
I am. Jonathan. You can find me at just average a pretty much everywhere on the Internet.
Hi, I'm Keith Justice. You can find me on Twitter at keep Hayward Prime Or just look a Keith Justice. You might find my pictures somewhere.
Yeah. Sometimes your mic drops out on me, Keith, Um, that's fun. No, I just just so you know, uh, right. So this week, we in preparation for ah sort Picard to come out. We're so close, you guys, Uh, two weeks. I
less than there's. I think there's There's 12 days, two hours in 19 minutes. Thank you, Michael. With the launch date the 23rd except how dare
you not know that
the problem, right? And being surprised, I
think it might actually be too premieres next week. Today? I don't know, but we're not gonna find out about it until everybody else sees it. All right, so, uh, we talked about you already. We talked about Nemesis already. So this week we thought we would talk about Jerry Ryan. Um, rewatching we rot, We re watch a couple episodes. I made everybody watch them Very mean like that.
so mean to watch Jerry Ryan asking. I mean, really
No, But seriously, uh, it's been a while since I've watched Boyd. You're like, Not while I'm falling asleep, To be honest. And, uh, Jeri Ryan, like such a great actress, really stunned me like just tiny little moments. So we rewatched the rave in and there's a scene where Neelix Trust maker eat and for the first time, and she just like just she goes to sit down and like, checks the chair behind her to make sure the light goes down. It was genius. Just little moments like that. The way she walks, it's sex. I forgot how great shoes. And I'm so excited to see her again here.
Well, it's it's so funny because her interactions with Naomi Wildman s Oh, yeah, I haven't watched Voyager in a long time. I mean, you know, I'd watch it kind of on syndication here and there, but if not actually just set and just just watched it toe watch and enjoy it. And ah, that last episode you had us watch Season six I forget which one it was. But you Naomi Wildman came in and was like, You know, I I felt like you just needed family or something like that. Like the interactions between her and Naomi are just they, like, maybe make my heart melt and they're both so good. I mean, the actress that plays Naomi Wildman is so young, but her and Jerry Ryan just are so good. It's
amazing that I
don't know, by the way, survival
Survival instincts. Six point
Yes, thank you.
We came a 79 for me was Ah, I was a holdout for of wager for a long time, much like D s nine. Because I like my Star Trek like it like my Star Trek TNG And then, like, I just kind of watching the sidelines. I was like, Oh, sexy girl or typecast. Now I see why he buys into it and then, like, you know, finally, like I just ran off shows to watch. I was like, All right, let me do the Voyager And every time I come back to Voyager or Star Trek like this, it feel so good. I love the sets and the costumes. And when she showed up, I was like, All right here we gol and no, she kills it like, uh, she's she's she's quite sexy, but, um, yeah, I never quite put my finger on why it felt like the entire show got better. And the stories got better. Like, why
couldn't they do that? One tests, like, is it so hard to write for her?
I definitely can't speak to what happened there, but that is an interesting thought. Michael, I feel like you were gonna say something earlier and I cut you off.
Oh, no, no, that's fine. I'm just gonna say, I'd forgotten how much I like Voyager. So thank you for making us watch something. I'll have to go back and watch more. Now, after I've seen
select episodes, Um, they're certain episodes. I have no intention of re watching while I'm conscious. Yeah. You know, I think there's a couple of those episodes in every show. Okay, um, we tend to treat tng kind of like as a Bible, but it's it's got some
There is Yeah, they're seminal stinkers in there wth
e one episode that everybody was like, Well, just call that one, not can. And, um, Voyager has that, uh, metal like this. Yep. That's the episode. That's that's the one
they travel through time so hard that Janeway and Paris have a child as
lizards. Yeah, I knew that's what you were talking about. Which
one was on top? You know, you guys
Yeah, we all say, but I'm gonna come.
And that was when they broke work. 10 I think. And that's the same thing. That right? Yeah, that's I mean, because, you know, there had to be a side effect to warp 10 right? But no, that's what I love. It's the same thing. Like with Voyager. You almost forget how powerful Janeway is just I mean, Mulgrew's amazing. She's phenomenal and the relationship between her and seven and that that be, you know, it's almost like beating like like banging their heads together. You not I mean, like, they're they have this.
We're both strong minded, and they both desires and expectations off,
and but it's amazing how well they play off each other and just how how strong they both are, especially together. It's It's
Galan. Also, don't forget about Alana.
Oh, of course, of course. No, she's amazing. I mean, it's Yeah, that whole cast that Well, with the exception of a couple, but in general, that whole cat
are you talking about? Uh uh, I know, I know. I don't know what It's
fine that I don't care. I wanna I wanna like Chakotay because I like the idea of like, like someone who's who's, um the way my son would put it, Who speaks for the trees, like the law, Rex, like someone who is who is who was earthly and, you know, like a native American like that. That whole thing appeals to me, But then it justice So off base, with a lot of what Star Trek is,
you know, considering that they hired ah, native expert who was well known to be a front. At that point, we can't be super shocked by what happened. Chakotay there. But I do agree. You know, Robert Beltran and other like post show conventions made it pretty clear that he wasn't very happy with Star Trek. And I feel like that reflects in the show ended. Actually, that wasn't one of the things that was really pleased about. I heard, unfortunately, that Cape Mulgrew didn't get along with Jerry Ryan while they were filming. And, you know, you know, I can understand why it's still like a little saddening, but I'm very glad that you can't see that in the show. And then it doesn't seem to affect her. Uh, Janey Jane way towards seven. I
looked. It just shows how great of actresses there. You know what I mean? Like wouldn't like, especially Sabrina. You know this as an actor actress, you know, you have to be able to turn that on and off. You can't your person like you become the other person you can't. You mean there? There's a certain aspect of you that comes into your characters, but at the same time, if there's a job you're doing a job. You have to be
able to. You're really hitting
it off and do that job.
If your relationship between characters is supposed to be like, for example, mentor and mentee, if you need each other too bad
E. That shows how professional they were too
well that's what I was. Yeah, that's what I meant. It just is kind of amazing.
I was listening to a podcast at the accurate of here. Kim on it called Geek Escape or practice. Whatever eso like he let loose on, like everything. And like he was, I'm not gonna dig into Lake Gossip, but it's what I always find very interesting. Like he was saved. How, like Carrie Mulgrew of Janeway, Doubly didn't like the actress who played 797 Mine didn't wanna have anything to the drama, so they almost kept them off scenes from each other. And like the cut, the Beset and like the crew would be uncomfortable because they get uncomfortable. So every time it seems happen, I'm waiting to see it. I never do. And I do always like seeing, like Janeway in and 79 Like in scenes together. They always work.
That's a shame. Each other really Well,
yeah, they do. I know it's I mean, it's it's just amazing to think about, you know, you watch the show and you, you all you do is see the show and see that they're characters. And it's easy to forget that outside like they're They're other people. Like they're keeping right, not seven of nine and Kathryn Janeway. You know what I mean?
Star Trek especially, always has, like, a lot of, ah, stuff going on back, back behind the, uh, seem certain as it were.
Yeah, but yes. Um, out of the four episodes we watched, what was your favorite one? Have a quest. Like that's my question.
Okay, but pick who's answering first?
Yeah, well, this is your This is your show tonight. Today. So, Sabrina Yes, I bring out this. You go first.
Oh, man. You know
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those those are important. But anyway, let's list yet resume
for reference to this question, everyone, I made everyone listen to scorpion part one into which is, Ah, the two part of that A, um, starts out as an alliance between Janeway and the Bork so they can defeat species 8472 And the second half of which is when the, you know, work with seven during the Alliance. And then shenanigans happened. Ah, the raven is when she starts getting flashbacks of her child self and, um, what the heck? Basic instinct. I think it's what it's called. I said it earlier. 6.2 is ah, when you run into old members of her unit matrix that she had kind of like forced to, um returned to the board when they started experiencing their individuality because, you know, she was freaked out by the memories of being a 12 year old. And, um, I got to say, the Rive in and ah, basic in six was very impressive for me. In regards to Jeri Ryan's acting again, like she goes from seven's like stoicism, Thio scared 12 year old girl like immediately, and it's in the way that she uses her voice to like adults Don't cry like that. Um, so as much as I was impress fire acting, though I'm still gonna go with Scorpion part, too, because the interactions between Janeway and still Borg seven are fantastic and like we were talking about before, they have great chemistry, like in the mentor mentee kind of situation. The strong heads headbutting situation, too. But like there, they're total refusal to back down from each other. In that upset, it's just really fun. So scorpion part to come down.
That's actually my favorite, too, To be honest with you and it in I'll. It ties into this podcast because it's when Janeway talks the Borg into assigning a liaison. And then they're like, Well, that's what a cute she was like. That's what you did with John. Luke with hard. With luck, you Otis, let's do that again. And then it was a very I just felt it was a very, um, you know, it's like a throwback toe toe. Captain Picard, look, you notice I mean, you know this time is right and what our podcast is about, right? But also, um, it's ah, it was just a very smart way to make that story work. Because, you know, when you when you're dealing with the collective. It's like, Well, how are you gonna talk the collective into something? I mean, come on. But then the way they did it actually found pretty, Um, pretty interesting. So I love that episode and the acting And seven, when she's a drone and not fully her human self yet, like, I just She's so good, so good. Oh, my gosh. And she's just so like she just plays seven. So Well,
I like, uh, can I say Scorpion? Part one and two is my favorite. Whatever. No, I I liked it as well. I like to think it was getting good introduction to seven of 91 thing I didn't like about it was my memory's fading on me. But it was either things to the end of part two where, like Chakotay got connected to seven, was trying to talk her, you know, talk her down or whatever that I mean, I loved everything except that that seem kind of like a week way to Theo
mysticism thing. I think it's just not
yeah, his favorite. It's like we don't know howto, you know, you know, resolve. The episodes were gonna throw to coat day in there, and it seemed kind of weak. Yeah. Keith. All
right. Yeah. Mine. Ah, it's a clean sweep. Um, it was Ah, Scorpion part to you. That was my favorite. Yeah. Um, it was a great introduction. Uh, b I was always kind of impressed. How much? Seven of nine. Did not look like she would be a main character. The way they put on screen and like we have her makeup is very just like any other board and tell like we get to see your new cast. And then she's like, a refreshed character, and you see here out. But, oh, the thing that was most interesting is that, um that was breaking the prime directive as hell,
right? Yeah. You know, they say
that Kirk is er is one of our heroes
who flicks armed a enemy species that we're at war with toe. What?
Listen, listen, listen. Dimensional to decide. The prime directive is specific about it being like, if it's a species that that isn't at your level. But
it is already late
at the same level. It's fine. So it's fine. You guys, it's just
a trade or what?
People too unequal. It's not we're not. We're not arming. Warheads were not charming Islanders with warheads. Here's fine. So
alien race starts talking smack to us and saying they're gonna wipe out our galaxy. It is totally on the level, just the waste him, even if you're
hanging me up. Yeah, Prime Directive is really just just kind of
a big gray area. You
know, there's no there's no black and white. It's very great, especially
if you're talking to Janeway.
listen. Listen, This is the Delta Quadrant. It's already messed up. I don't know.
directive is like a area code thing.
It's like once they once they get home, they're not coming back for a while. So there is fine. If it's fucking way back, I
mean, everyone will have forgotten about us, right? Everyone will be fine.
Every alien species that run into the were the Robber Islands. Look for us
years to Frankie's
and fun fact about the look you tous thing was that, uh, Jean Luc Picard are Patrick Stewart was actually thinking like, I don't want to keep doing this forever, So if you guys want to kill me off right here, that will be my cut off point and records indicate over. But then he changed his mind, so he kept with us. Interesting.
Well, uh, now here he is, years later, and, uh, he's putting the car back on. So
some worked out Lucky s some money
changed hands. I think it changed into my hands.
Uh oh, yeah.
All right. So what? We're talking about the scorpion. Um Ah. And since Jeri Ryan brought it up in the episode, So I mean, since you brought it up about Jerry Ryan being this in the episode. So Jerry Ryan, seven of nine, was ah, the alliance leader against Janeway with Janeway. Whatever. And lo que tous was used to communicate with the Bork. So what do we think about alliance is being formed with the board? May be in the card. Michael, do you have any thoughts about
that? I think I'll be interesting. And we don't know, You know, really What? The story is with the card yet, but, um, yeah, it's I think it's interesting. You just could never really trust the Borg. So I guess it would make for good TV regardless.
Well, hence the name Scorpion. You know, that was a joke. OK, so Leah is like, it's my love, that story, my nature. You know what I mean? Like that's so like, has the nature of the board changed? We won't know until we find out.
E am being a super snob about it, looking down my nose, thinking they're just gonna mess it up. And I'm so sorry. Like, I'm being skeptical. Uh, but they are bringing back you. So does that seem to indicate that they do really care about maybe actually trying to use continuity? I think.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I really just feel like if I'm not mistaken, I feel like Patrick Stewart almost like, wouldn't come back unless you know what I mean. Like, he wants to tell the story of Dick.
I hope you like money
too packed. We won't do this movie unless it's better than the previous one kind of thing.
I I think he was
pretty specific about Hey, like, I'm not signing on to anything unless I agree that it's going in the direction that that fits. You see what I'm saying? And that's hit his character. That's his, like, you know, that's his thing. So I'm hoping that between the studio not want to mess it up, Him being specific about Hey, this is how I want it to play out How I wanted to look and I'll only sign on if that's how I feel And for like, I'm hoping that all the i's are dotted the t's are crossed And that the continuity and the timeline and the, um the stories intertwine and that it's true True. Tangie Trek, not the full T and G. You know what I mean?
They said it's
not gonna be thine.
Yeah, of course. Yeah. Like
darker, More injured hard.
Yeah. Yeah. It's so speaking of Did you have you have You all watch the short tracks? No, no, not the reason. Okay. Okay. Then
when? When? Just came out. Like yesterday.
A few days ago. I watched it and it actually has a spoiler tie in in to Picard.
Oh, does it? Tell us what
that you guys have to tell me. If you give me permission, I will. But if you don't give me permission, I won't.
Okay. I only tell us if we guess it. How's that? I
doubt you'll guess it. To be honest,
let's play 20 questions. Forget all the
questions. Like sent You Forget all the questions you
have about Jerry Ryan and let's play 20 questions. What? The spoiler was you already? Yes. Can I
ask, do you feel it'll actually ruin anything?
Um, I don't think it'll ruin
anything for the show. It just, um it was a very quick thing on the latest short trek that it was like a a new story that was kind of frozen on the screen. And it I don't think it'll ruin anything. I think it just It's Italian. It's Italian. That gives you a little more insight into what's going on.
Oh, so it's like lesson spoiling. More like an Easter egg.
Exactly. Yes, it's an Easter egg. That's exactly right.
Okay, so we know it's a news article. Our news post a
new story here.
Okay, So it involves one of the characters from the cars. Correct? Is it? It's here.
I'm sorry. What?
Is it a TNG character? Yes. Okay. Yeah.
Is that character, uh, said to be dead? No. Right.
Is it a vegetable? No, e. I mean, does
it have to do with Georgie? No.
Oh, my God. That would be nice. Okay, so the card,
Yes. Um, does it talk? Is it about like, what? Whatever disaster, whatever took him out of Starfleet, or that's what
I believe. So that's kind of what it's what the That's what the general consensus is.
Okay. Is it, like, a diplomatic kind of thing?
That much? We don't know yet.
We could. I mean,
well, yes. Yes, I could see the headline. I know. I know what happened. Yeah. You
and invoked a storied Rommie Lewis. Is that what you were gonna ask?
That Vulcan is still destroyed.
It doesn't. It has nothing to do with Vulcan.
Okay. Okay. Rommie list.
Nothing. Nothing but open timeline.
Which No Kelvin Kelvin. Timeline. They destroyed Vulcan. Our timeline. The prime timeline Rommie lists is destroyed.
Oh, yeah, yeah, but that has nothing to do with right by
shenanigans. That Romney list does. Yeah, and then that sends Nero back into the other timeline to do all those shenanigans.
But no, it has to do with the Borg. It all
No, it doesn't, actually. Okay,
It doesn't have to do with the Romney limbs or the board.
No, it actually, I I'm gonna say it came out of left field. I this one I didn't see coming.
Are you glad that use Watch that, though. And so Damn d Stram? Yeah, because it didn't give too much away.
It was just It was kind of like a little like like here. I'm gonna feed you this little morsel so you're even even even hungrier when card comes out. Okay,
so is it a natural disaster related?
It's not natural, but it is a
disaster is a good question
like military fallout, disaster, um, lines, fallout, disaster,
loss of a starship.
Uh, it's bigger than a starship. And it's I don't know about alliances because I don't know enough about the backstory yet.
Okay, So something Something got destroyed? Yes. Um,
I'm bigger than a starship. This ah planet? Well, yeah, Planet. You're right. OK, so it didn't get
fully, like obliterated, but their news. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna read the news headline or what I recall of it to you. Okay. So basically the news headlines said synthetics attack Mars 3000 presumed dead. Ooh, Cool. Now here's the Here's the thing. Here's the twist. What? Who or What? Or synthetics.
Yeah, like zero grams. Yeah, right. Holograms.
I mean, I guess I would like you make is
and that that news the news video showed start like ships flying at Mars and shooting and destroying like they're a bunch of explosions on the surface of Mars. And it says, sin lyrics attack Mars 3000 presumed data 3000 confirmed dead or something
like that. Okay, that's that's
interesting. So I don't know if it was an interview or whatever, but I read a rumor that said that Jerry Ryan said that the Borg are fractured and fleeting at this point, sort of how they were on Voyager. And I'm curious if, um, the people drones, the people, the drones who leave the Borg for, like, maybe total individuality or maybe like pocket communes, kind of like they were stuck in the unit matrix, the other members of seven Soon a matrix. And if synthetics are like ex Borg,
well, and that's that's the thing because
they feel attacked. So, doing some terrorism back?
Yeah, and that's the thing like that. We don't know. Now I will say this. There was a follow up news news clip that popped up right after that, said Admiral Picard, devastated by attack on Mars
Month. Makes sense.
Yeah, and that, And that's that's all it was. It was literally those two newsreels at the very end of the short track that we're a part of that story. First up, that short trek was amazing. Um, I forget what it's called. I forget. Thank Children on Mars. Yeah, Children of Mars. Something like that. It's about two girls. It's a really sweet like it's It's very heartfelt. It's Ah, it's two girls on Mars whose parents are two girls. I'm sorry. Two girls on earth, I believe, whose parents are working on Mars, and they showed video of them talking. Other parents like to their one talk. Your mother. One talked to her father, I believe. And then But the two girls like, hate each other. They fight, They get in a fistfight, they push each other. They do, they pick on each other. They're very, very mean to each other. And then all throughout the episode, they're picking on each other. They're mean to each other. And then this happens. And like the last scene, is them holding hands looking at the TV screen and like being there for each other. It was just super powerful and very heartfelt and very beautiful. And it had those two little snippets of what happened. That tying up a card and it just the whole thing was amazing. Those short tracks air really, really, really well done.
Has there ever been a Star Trek thing where they said that data has been mass produced?
Not that I remember.
In fact, the only time another android was created that I recall was when he made his daughter lone. And and she didn't make it because the if I recall the positronic brain or positronic net wouldn't Wouldn't wouldn't hold or something like that.
And please don't make me watch that one. I'll cry. I know, I know. And
then I remember in Voyager there was a thing where, um, holograms were being used as slaves and I think, did they call themselves synthetics? Or
I can't run that. I can't remember. Yeah, I'm curious, You know, a long
time since we watched Boyd. You're clearly
Yeah, yeah, but you got to remember, his Voyager was in the Delta Quadrant. So if those holograms were slaves. That was in the Delta Quadrant. Not in the Alpha Quadrant. Yeah, I mean,
no. No, it was It was It was the doctor. There's a whole bunch of them. It was like in the quiet. Okay. Being used in mind.
00 that's right. I forgot about that. You're right. Okay. Yeah, there, Abby. But that's just it was There's so much unknown. It's so good, so good. I can't wait. I cannot wait for the show.
My hope is not up a little bit more, because that means they did actually try, so
All right, let's do this. I'm excited.
So Picard starts after he's already left the and multi, right? So that was, we presume, the triggering event to send him out.
That's the general consensus. That's kind of what people online are assuming. Yeah,
um, presumably this word with synthetics has been ranking up or there's more Cold War does like a cold war, you know, tension. Kind of like we have with the raw melons and to us. And ah, Picard would do his best to, you know, less intentions and make sure that we don't end up blowing each other the bits, so an attack of that magnitude would make him feel like his work is not doing anything. Maybe. And then the resulting fallout have been feeling like Starfleet, his suits to listen to him and that they're heading for wars where this new show is taking place. Perhaps.
Maybe, you know, in my head, I'm thinking that some decision he made created this event. Not necessarily. Not necessarily. You know, him trying to do? Yeah, Not necessarily him trying to get the, you know, everyone to co operator like him being a diplomat
with the guilt of him screwing it up.
That's what I'm saying. Like instead of him being a diplomat, I feel like he like it again. These air also everyone out there first off, spoiler alert. Sorry. I hope, like from the stuff that we saw on short tracks, apologize. I should have said that second off. Um, you know, it's it's that thing Where with the card, and and again, this is all like, we're just guessing we're excited. Just like you all listening. And we're just guessing. Um but I feel like instead of Picard being like diplomatic are trying to be diplomatic. I feel like he possibly made a mistake or made a made a an executive decision about something or or or he couldn't stop something that caused it. And I feel like the guilt of his decision is going to cause these ripples in this story. But again, that's just like in my brain, where my where my head's going. You know what I mean?
I do think
that call is going. Thio also cost the cause the death of someone we know.
Well, data stay with Dane is already dead. Now, wait a minute. Is he just can't wait, sport e. I don't know. He wouldn't get blown up
by that both if they
fail around radiation. I got it in
the books and comic books and video
games. He does come back. I can
and I would not. Numbers.
Well, I do love the idea of characters being driven by guilt and then having to face that guilt and change their decisions. Um, the car didn't I don't remember what episode it's on, but it's a famous scene. You know where Picard goes. That's the thing about being human. Sometimes you do everything right and you still lose.
Oh, God, I love you.
So that is That is, like, kind of part of his character that he understands that something sometimes things will just not go your way. So I'm very curious about how it's gonna be something bad enough to push him to make a decision like that. Least I hope it's something proportional and not that they just kind of like, put that aside. I don't expect that from Star Trek, but I've seen that happen in other shows where it's like
Luke Skywalker. Yeah, you gotta earn
If you got a bench, a hero, you gotta earn that story.
Yeah, Keith knows. I just watched that final Star Wars movie last night, So, um, it's still
friends. We'll talk about it later. Yeah. Things wrong, Podcast. Start another story. Great. All right, all right, all
right. All right. Totally different kind of subject. Um, So I made you guys watch the Reeve in, and that's the episode. Wears have been kind of has, like, trauma flashbacks to being assimilated because she's receiving the homing beacon from her. Show her, her parents, his ship. Can someone explain to me why Janeway finding out that she was hallucinating a rave in is what told her it was her parents ship. Is that like their last name or something? Did I miss that detail? Because
the ship the ship was called the radio.
Okay. Eso Janeway just happens to remember that 18 years ago, a ship with two famous scientists and their daughter went into the Delta Quadrant and disappeared, and he was named the rave in, and she put it all together like that. Good job, Janeway. Well done.
Yeah, well, she's up on start. You know, Starfleet history and everything.
That one's your favorite because she likes Ravens.
Maybe. Well, she did
say that her parents were pretty well known, so maybe they were more famous than we thought.
They were clearly quite famous for moose.
Okay, There you go.
Okay, but Okay, So the actual question was, Can I ask you about their even? Um, it it, like a lot of other Star Trek episodes, tries to handle some PTSD kind of stuff. We had that amazing. Ah, even though it's off mocked, I'm sure. And then amazing d s nine episode, where O'Brien is, you know, in like a temporal Stasis prison. And he thinks that 10 years of past. And he's killed that dude, even though it's like minutes or whatever. Um, are you guys hoping for more stuff like that in Picard, or do you hope that it kind of stays more focused on the world and not like the psychological lives of the characters? Are you looking for there, Keith? Throw them on. And,
uh so for that, um, I like like, there's only gonna be, like, eight episodes, right? For Picard?
I think so.
So, unfortunately, in the new format of science fiction that we have right now, they have to get to the next story, be next or beaten and get to the end of the line. Instead of like, the beautiful world we came from. They had 26 episodes per season, so you could just haven't chill episode where someone just talking about the feelings. That's nothing. I feel like we'll have dramatic scenes where people go. And
I I thought
I did the right thing, but I didn't. It was sad.
And you like,
but, you know, like Carol go psychologic. No couch scenes, huh?
Yeah, I wish, but
no. Yeah, actually, I think you're right. I think it's very likely that because we don't have that it decided format. They're not gonna take the time to kind of breathe the characters out, but, um well, c j
o I I actually, I really hope they do. I love the psychological stuff I love. I love when they, um they kind of hone in on why people are the way they are or why they chose this action or this reaction. And, you know, the human psyche has always been fascinating to me. And if for them to be ableto portray it, you know, the good, the bad, the ugly, um, onscreen, you know, if it's done right, it's amazing, you know, it's amazing storytelling, and it's it's very riel, but the but as ah, as Keith said, I I don't know just because they're on, they're on a limited schedule, so I feel like they're gonna push the story forward. But
I really do hope
we see those internal conflicts and, you know, um, you know, there's I hope that we have that even if it's just a little bit between him And like some old, um, you know, ah TNG characters that come onto the show
stops by for a chat.
Yeah, like I mean, I would really like it.
And I sense you want to chat.
Exactly. I sense it all the way from Beta said, um,
Michael, I think you have something to say.
Oh, yeah, actually, great. With Keith and Jay. I mean, I don't have time to do it, but I do like those little insights into the characters. Um look like, yeah, I think thinking of like a season has 26 episodes. To me, that sounds exhausting. There's so many shows to watch actually prefer them or condensed 8 10 12 episode seasons. The
only thing I don't like about the shorter seasons is the fact that we have to wait longer for the next season, and that drives me crazy, you know? And that's like, that's binge culture, you know what I mean? But
that's how you do it. You know, you have 12 12 shows and in January you walk show one, and then in February
walks binge. That's not against culture. Here we go. Bench
culture is like kind of stressed me out a little bit because I don't want to cap to keep up with everybody and whatnot and the thing that, um, I'm loving that I get Thio experience target for the first time, and they are in that world where you get 26 episodes is the feeling where you get just sit down and be in that world. There's no rush to get Yeah, you don't get There's no rush skit Maxine or Next Satin Lee. I'll just sit on like Astrometrics with 79 issues, trying to figure out some kind of equations or like you into the captain's ready room, where she's got, like, coffee and years, like hearing the sound of the engine. I like the slowing down aspect of longer Siri's. We can get more just messing around.
Let's go back to episodic.
There's coffee in that nebula.
Um, one thing I want to touch on with the PTSD was ah, the episode where she found those three other exports. I love the scene where they all start. Kind of start losing the ship like Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I got captured. Oh,
my God. Oh, my God. I had family. And
they always kind like the m e. Interact like Borg. Like computers. Like Holy crap. Okay, really freak out a body erase. Memories are like, That's a great idea. And it's kind of like that. They're a species that could, like, talk like that to each other.
Yeah, that let me in that that was such a powerful episode, you know, it's it's ah for her, too. Get to the point where she made the decision of like, Hey, no, we're not gonna put it giving back to the Borg. I mean, it just shows that character arc that she had where all she wanted to do was get back to the board and she fought Janeway. And she fought the Voyager crew and she fought and fought. And then she's fully embraced being a human part of the crew. And then she makes this decision. That's not easy. Um, you know, to ah, basically give them a shortened life, but a life without being connected and, you know, like no, no collective. And that's Ah, I mean, that is just got the writing so good on those shows, man.
And they named Drop the Excalibur served on an audio
book. It was
Yeah, it was. It was like when the audio books ever did as a road trip and made that like music and sound effects. It was, uh, an ambassador Class like the enterprise just before the d ah is ah called the Excalibur with Captain Morgan and Lake A ship. Ah, plant blows up and there's like a like a bird in it. It was awesome.
a pretty name drop. It was it was awesome and stupid. It was definitely not something ut of Star Trek, but it's what I was like. I'm excited when, like I perked up, she was like, I'll support the Excalibur was like
Captain Morgan, I know that one.
Um, while we're talking about that episode, she says at the end of the episode, in the conversation with our lovely doctor, she has to decide, like you were saying whether to give them a long life back in the collective or whether to allow them to stay separate. But they only live a month. Um, and she says survival is inefficient, is insufficient so that just surviving is not enough. Well, what do you think about that, huh? Individuality is more important than surviving for a long time, is what she literally means. There but yeah, what do you think about that?
But he put
Michael, um I know, I think I liked her decision because I think, you know, it was kind of made them. I don't want to send them back to the Borg, and so she chose to give them that individuality. I mean, I think I would rather have that, too. Even if it was for, like, a day or an hour, you know, as opposed to being in this collective, um, you know, state s. So I I would have done the same thing. I think chosen to kind of set them free, so to speak.
Is there anything in your life you would rather not survive them? Not have, like, free will free. Well, there's a fine reason. I mean, that's your said that, I guess. But
eso repeat the question. I'm sorry.
Survival is inefficient. Insufficient. If you were only surviving like be worthless. What? Can you not? Can you not live without? Please tell me,
um, I just
threw that one and you guys to mess with him because I always want to delve deeper into people's brains. And I thought I would just trick you into thinking we were talking about nerd stuff and then just come
right, and I'm happy to answer. I'm gonna be happy to answer. I'm gonna pass that on to J. Okay, Because
I I actually, um so, you know, the quote was, um uh what was that quote again? I forget.
Survival is insufficient.
Yes. So it that whole thing kind of made me think about like, um, you know, when people like and this is extreme and I will apologize if this is if this triggers anyone who's listening. I apologize. Um, but it makes you think, you know, when you hear a quote like that, when you see a scene like that or a show like that makes you think, OK, what happens? Like, what would happen if I were to become, um, a vegetable, right? Or if I were to become, um you know, it just it's at what point? What would I just say? You know what? I'd rather live a week with this ability than 40 years without being ableto to move my body or two like there, there, there, and mind you, it's that it's it's not a set thing. It's fluid because throughout your life, you find strength. But then you also find weakness. And and I found that that that dial that I that I have inside me changes because they're sometimes where I'm like. You know what? I couldn't take something super simple, you know, And again, I'm not gonna give examples because I don't really know, But it's like it's almost like I have more strength some days than I do other days. So depending on what the situation is, But that being said, I know that I want to live my life the way I want to live it. And I don't want to, um and I want to enjoy it the way I want to enjoy it and that the the definition is hard to pinpoint, You know what I mean? But it does make you think about those decisions, you know, and that's it's such a powerful thing. I mean, you know, you're thinking about the bigger things than just this bubble that you have, and you know, and that's if we should we should think about. So I think I kind of
I kind of kind of danced around it, but because there's no specific answer. But I would say that I wouldn't be given the decision that she had. I would have been grateful to her for allowing me thio end on my own terms, If that makes sense,
Eso um I minds that as straightforward. It's like, uh, what comes Being aboard, it feels like I've seen every so often and stories everywhere. He's like it might be a legitimate existence where they like you Only when some Borg talked about they're like, Yeah, but I'm never alone And we are arguer efficient and from the outside from you guys who always meat bags and like I give each other all time, it might look like, you know, torture. But some Borg I have seen, like, say, no, it's legitimate so that I was thinking Wait, wait, why did not put them back? They'll be may be at peace. Or would they still be split off from everyone and be tortured because, like if they had a chance to have some kind of like existence at all, and then down the road win like, you know, the Federation totally does what their ass and maybe they could be like free, Like to me, Like being apart board gives them a chance versus what they got, which is like just living out their life. But yeah, it also came down with the characters themselves because each one of them was like
Okay, glad I'm dying. So
you would feel that survival isn't is enough In the short term, if there's a chance that in the long term you can get the things that you want
Yeah, in the long term. And also like I have seen that, you know, the board do seem to feel that they have a legitimate existence that isn't just constant torture.
They're like, almost it was offended. When humans like
you want to
be an individual like that's that's terrible, that
as an individual, now they're like, I know what I don't want that But, like 79 knows that it's not an endless hell being in there, and then you have a chance at all. So for me, like 1,000,000,000 way I would check out is if, ah, if I can't actually be what I consider Keith anymore, like my body and brain have been broken out enough. That is just, uh, taking in sustenance Then then if there's no hope in the future, you know you might you I can check out. But I was, like, a chance for the future.
I don't know. You can check out, but you can never leave.
Wasn't there 13 tng episode about a hotel that good? That the Royal Hotel? Hotel Royal? Yeah,
It's been a while since I've seen that one.
If that's the case, it was a great episode. All right,
well, that's all I got for you.
All right. Hey, uh, do you guys you guys think that you are? Do you guys think that being a Borg might at all be a legitimate life? Uh,
listen, I know. I mean, there are people out there who deliberately choose lifestyle of like giving their, um, what's the word I'm looking for here? Individuality. Some people choose to be slaves on purpose. Yeah, and obviously, like there's protective, there's like, they enter it in with somebody that they trust very much. And I'm not talking about, you know, people would get forced into this. Um, there's a small stuff set of people in the world who choose to allow other people to control their every action when they eat whatever because they feel safe and they feel like somebody's taking care of them. And I think for somebody like that, maybe the board wouldn't be so bad. But for me, I cannot handle.
Yeah, Yeah. I think the board would be a legitimate IQ existence. Because I think when I don't think the Borg, they think they're helping people. They don't really think that they're evil. They think they're you know, everybody wants to be assimilated, doesn't want
to be perfect. And they're helping people get perfect. I mean, what's wrong with you guys while you're arguing all the time?
Yes. When you look at it from that perspective is kind interesting. So I wouldn't want to be aboard, But I could see I could see. I see why they were trying to do that for people, I
guess, And then, like not to go against what I just said. But I guess from a Starfleet officer and I'm on duty and we are at war with the board, right? Yeah. So yeah, but
I'm sorry you're not going back.
I'm not gonna let you go back and make other people, so I'm a free and it'll be great. And I'm sorry. I'm not helping the Borg, ever.
The way I feel have enough voices in my head. I don't need to be a part of a collective right. Uh,
but there was supposed to be the same.
Well, I know. Yeah, yeah. And maybe you know what? Maybe it would make me a little bit more sane. I don't know. Maybe
be a good thing,
baby, Hold on. Let me think about this. That's a fun
way. Like, would you go back into the collective? Because I was thinking, like, if it was me, you send me back because I won't die. And, um, no, I'm positive that I probably know positively, all experienced time the same way. So eventually, Maybe I might get to that future where I do get freed. So fingers crossed.
I'm already just like a gear in a the capitalist machine. I'm cool. Uh, nothing If I have the troops to leave, I'm leaving,
too. Funny. So Okay. I have a question, though. Actually, this is since we're talking about the card, and I'm sorry if I jumped in on anyone. Um
how weird that we were talking about me.
I know. I know. It's crazy. It was held us. What's wrong with me? No. Um, Jerry Ryan for seven of nine in the new Picard show. What do your thoughts like? What are your hopes? What are your expectations? What do you What do you hope to see you do? Do you feel like she would be a character, A recurring character? Or is it going to be a one episode kind of thing? Like, um, what do you thoughts?
I hope it's I hope it's kind of a recurring. I mean, like, I like her character in the actress, so I hope they don't just bring her in as kind of like a fan service to get people to watch. I mean, I'd like it to be an ongoing thing. Anyway,
I'm all for thinking it's gonna be fan service like it's gonna be a We're gonna get one scene of, like, ah, awesome. We get to see Picard in 79 talk, which I am very cool with. Yeah, I feel that's what we're gonna get will be a great scene of them going against each other and then by the end of the episode. So one will come looking for something. And that means she has to bust out two machine guns with two hands and
just cool after she go after she doesn't sequence
to wink at the camera and say she
goes all John Wick general. Anyway, uh, backed up, I
actually, I hope so. First off, huh? Story arc ties very closely in a lot of ways with Jean Luc Picard. Lo que tous ce. I mean, they're that they're the two Starfleet personnel, you know, even though, like, seven gets picked up in the Delta Quadrant. But she's still a part of the crew, you know what I mean? So they are they. So John Luke was assimilated as an adult to be look, Eunice, and then she was chosen to be the liaison for Voyager like Lucas was, um they share something in common that no other two people really share. So you Yes and no. Because Hugh, um, Hugh wasn't chosen to be a liaison. He didn't choose to be an individual communicating
Yeah, but but that's what I'm
saying, but yeah, but
the I know these air, but these are all great questions And since we know he was there, we know seven is there. We know Picard, is there. I mean, how amazing would it be for them to focus on those relationships? And those, um, just those those qualities that they have in common from being both Borg and human, Do you not? I mean, like, they were so many similarities between them and their things that no other human can really share with them. Except for obviously like the ones that because we don't know who is out of the Borg now, who has been unassimilated, you know? I mean, like, there's there's a lot that could have happened, but where it ended in Nemesis. And you know where it ended for Voyager? Um, seven. Picard and yeah, maybe Hugh, um, really have something that no other humans can really talk about our understand each other with, You know what I'm saying? And it's really Yeah, it's I'm really, really excited Thio at the possibility of them hopefully exploring that, you know, I mean like it because if you can get that genuine seven and Picard speaking about their experiences or the like, just it's a psychological stuff which probably isn't gonna happen like we talked about earlier, but t get Maur into their heads and just to have that interaction between those two I'm so down for and I really hope that they do that.
Well, I thought it was certainly think there's at least gonna be an investigation of the psychology of the board between Picard and seven, if only because they need to stick that in there to kind of explain to the audience with the Borg are doing, um, so I'm sure we'll get that scene. I hope that we get more of Jerry Ryan than we get of the other cameo characters simply because the fact that she was in it came out so much earlier. I have faith in that, you know, whereas we kind of found out that Marina service and ah, Jonathan Frakes and suffer on set. But, um, not a lot came out about that, whereas, like, Jerry was actually invited Thio the card panel and everything. So I have faith that she's gonna get a bigger role, especially because she was such a huge fan favorite and Voyager. And you know, Voyager is not getting its own Siri's.
Yeah, absolutely. and I, um I actually I think that it's such a stronger thing to do because they weren't on the same Siri's. You're not. I'm saying it's easy like that. It's fanfare. Tohave right university. Yeah, it's well, it's it's fanfare. Tohave Reichert have Troy to have data like the people from T and G. It's almost like we expect those cameos. Not that Not that that's, um not that we shouldn't get him. Please, CBS. I like those Can I want those cameos. But, um, you know, toe have seven become a recurring character or to have her be the more of a part of Picard than those other cameos I think would be so cool. Because, yes, it is expanding that university. It's bringing Voyager and T and G together in a way that hasn't been done. I mean, you know,
except right. Yeah, it'll be awesome to see that interacts for the first time, I think. Can you tell him a fan? No. Yes. Are
you guys excited? Leave stuff in the Commons about it? Yeah, absolutely. But for reals, he's, um yeah, generating. Very excited. I always want to see more of her. I feel like I haven't seen her since she popped up in that leg Mortal Kombat show they were making.
in the nineties
one. No, there's no. It was just like it was like a web series.
Well, I saw her in leverage. She was She was on that TV show
Leverage. You know, he was so sort
of leverage where she wrote she were addressed that I owned. And I was like,
Oh, I love
I don't know that
I watched that show like every week. I loved that show, and she became a recurring character. I mean, she was a toward the end of that show. She was a big part of it. And I mean again, an amazing actress. Jeri Ryan. If if If you're listening, we're fans, you're amazing. And thank you for everything you've done.
And if you're not injured, Ryan and you're listening. You're amazing. And we love you too, But go watch. Left for some more darkness.
Absolutely. It's a great show. And we Yes, we love and appreciate all of you listening. Thank you. I just in case the universe happens that have Jerry Ryan, listen to this. I just had to put that out there. Huge fans
of horsemen because because
that wasn't clear from us, just like finding overacting.
Yeah, I know.
Saying how she alone improved entire Siris
that No, you've got that energy, Jerry. Now here's a
question that's a little different. It's It's kind of on a different and I'm sorry I keep doing this, but I just thinks keep popping in my head and I want to know, Um so she kind of helped avoid your become what? It was right. Like she's She's seen as someone who was a huge impact positively to the show. Right? So why is there so much bashing on to Paul on Enterprise? Do you see them saying like that? They, um
do you see what I'm saying? Like, don't get
me wrong. Like they're two different actresses and they're two different like levels, and it's a whole thing, but still, you have all this, you know, fan ship of Jerry Ryan and of seven. And then you get almost the opposite with t'pol and, um ah can't say her name right now. It'll come to me later.
Jolene, Jolene, Jolene gets and you
know it just, you know is it? Ah, Is that the acting? Is it Is it the Siri's itself? I mean,
I hear yourself, okay? I liked Enterprise. Yeah, myself. And I liked to Paula's Well, so I couldn't wait around.
Yeah, you, Michael. I actually am a fan, and I and I liked her.
Yeah, I've never heard I have
much dislike about to Paul. I was just thinking that it has to do with air prizes as a whole because that is the one that people like Thio give shit and, like, roast a lot and
which I don't get it for me.
Yeah, The reason why I disliked it at first and double hold at the bottom of the list is I don't want to go backwards in time when it comes to develop more. Yeah, you know how this was built up here and I just I have been dying to see how's the galaxy progress after Voyager? I want to go back on a nice Apple esque Starfleet ship with nice lighting and you explore the weirdness of the universe. That's what I want. So instead they go back in time so we can see the first enterprise. And, like also have not the end of starships that have a submarine. Yeah. If you're that far in the future, you can make something.
Look, I will admit on Enterprise. One thing I didn't like was the whole reed alert thing instead of red alert. I know, but I'm like, Come on, guys. Like, seriously? Yeah, just throwing that out there. I actually liked Enterprise, and I'm a huge Scott Dracula fan since Quantum Lea. So
we talk about interfering. You're getting backlash. No,
no, no. I know. I think it kind of went from to Paul getting backlash into just enterprise in general. You know it.
I have answered it, Um, as I'm sure, you know, and, uh, the two of you will know very shortly a female representation and, like being shown is like sexual objects is very close to my heart. That drives me crazy. Um, what I got to say about that very shortly is that seven of nine, um, was brought on obviously in that outfit course and inhales to be ah, like a sex object. But, um, Jerry Ryan, like, blasted out with her charisma and her skill and people like she definitely became a lot more than that. Um, Julin didn't have as much of a chance to do that simply because the writing on enterprise I'm sorry. Even if you like, it is not as good as the rest.
Um, no. Like, I didn't enjoy it. In fact, I stopped watching it about, like, four seasons in because I constrain the amount of that, like, rubbing oil on each other scenes. I just like I couldn't handle letting more. I was out. Um, that's my very, like, biggest complaint with Enterprise. And even if you're just just take a look at all the scenes that boy drew that jury Ryan was in and all of the scene that Julian was in, um, she gets ah, lot more like her body treat gets treated as a joke. Like she just follows on Archer and during his face, for some reason, like they give
a correct. Yeah, there's
a mim about that. Were, like, so yeah, sure. Her boobs were once again in someone's face and like, the capture was just like Julian put up with the line. I really appreciate her for being on the show and like doing this over and over again.
Not only did I see that name, but one of the top comments on it was a dude being like, Well, she got a paycheck for it, so she should have just put up with it. So if you're ever wondering why I'm angry about stuff like that, that's why. Okay. Yeah. Unfortunately, Julian just didn't have a strong of a character to play through and get out of that cats.
And I will admit, I do know. So Sabrina are Sabrina and I are friends and are close, and I do know this about her, and I actually wanted to hear Yeah, well, yeah. And I wanted to hear your take, because that's that's you know, you you're the You're the, um you're the So we're three men, and you are the women of the podcast. And I want you to like I wanted to hear that. And I want to hear your take on that stuff because that's a side that we don't always get to see her here as men. You're not I mean,
I am not a
minor. I apologize. Sorry.
I have experienced the world is a lady. So, uh, Yeah, I take your meaning. I just wanted to make
apologies. You have? Ah. Ah. Blessed front of you that we don't have. Yeah, much like each one of us actually has. But yeah, it
That's why it's important to get a diverse representation, etcetera. While I'm
Absolutely. And apologies for miss speaking.
No problem. That's one of the great things that I love about Star Trek. You know, Star Trek has always, despite people being like Star Trek was in political in 67. I don't know what you're talking about. You had a Japanese dude in a Russian dude sitting next to each other at the helm of an American ship. Uh, excuse me. You're wrong. Um, and yeah. So, unfortunately, Star Trek does have a history of treating its female characters kind of poorly. You know, there's famously that stuff that happened with Grace Lee Whitney behind the scenes, famously, that stuff that happened to Dax famously with stuff that happened with Marina and ah and ah, Crusher didn't get the best treatment either. Beginning finally, like they put her in a real uniform. But, you know, like Star Trek hasn't been doing super well there. It's fine. It's a
marina going. And Morita going the real uniform was her call, and it helped create her character into a better Absolutely. Yeah, Yeah, it was because, like, uh so when she was younger and it was her call, and when she was younger and thinner, she preferred the beautiful slinky costumes. But then she got a little older and, like, started filling out so that she felt that, like a Starfleet costume, would be more flattering for her and God, it looked great on her. And then they forced her character to actually develop into a Ah, Starfleet officer. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. So is it is a fun like X. It'll thing where she's like, I don't look good means anymore. And it turned into better writing, which is
supposed to give us a great moment, Angelico. Yes, because I was because I was great.
Hey, l love that. Just stuck. What? Duncanville? Quickly. I love that one. Absolutely shows up and like he's all that he's all sorts of
You're not Meriel, Dan years jerk. Hey you! And then
by the in episode, you're like Oh, God! He was right a lot Oh, my God. Yep. But he used right, And he got people through the danger, so Yeah, well, Jellicle
All right. Well, any last thoughts?
No, Um, I like the design of the wager. It's bugle spaceship.
Oh, yeah, I did, like design with boys. It makes me. But
I just love the retracting you will them? The moving warping, the cells. I just That was such a no so different aim compared to every other starship we've seen up until then. And it was just very
remember. Remember when they separated the saucer from the Virgin Team D? They were like, Look how cool it is.
Never know daily three no, was crazy.
I mean, fair enough. You probably don't want to reuse that, but
definitely felt going to be a thing.
They were like, we have a ship. It has a massive civilian compliment and has a small military compliment. We fixed it so we could leave the civilian compliment behind when we get in a war. So that's cool.
And bring the convenience of the wars of civilians were dying or the saucer, Or use the saucer
as separate attack vector. You know, with with the phasers and you know what I mean? Like, it was cool, but it didn't get used that much, but Voyager was cool. And then the a blade of holding, like, later on Voyager, when they get the blade of whole like the it's like the shields that wrap around the ship. That air just metal covers. I mean, that's just yeah, about just there's something, like, Primal about the awesomeness of it. You know what I mean?
Yeah, it was very cool.
He goes with some nerds Go play.
So I know. For the record, I have the ship in Star Trek online with the blade of armor. Oh, okay. No, no, no, no. I have the, uh Yeah, I have so many ships, but I have I haven't played in, like, four or five years, but
man. I need to play more.
What a greedy. You know, I'm not getting you. All right. Well done. Little
already. I came out. I've done, I think No, I'm on a different I'm on a different m o.
I feel like you have. Yeah. Hey, just feel like you have family
members. That might help us talk you into it too. Hey, you
know, I do have friends that will try to, like,
Yeah, but, uh,
T 00 I know.
All right. Uh, I think we're done for today. My friends. Thank you so much for listening. We will see you all next episode. I hope. Let us know about your favorite Jerry Ryan moments in the comments. And we will talk to you next week.
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